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Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby Lancer1993 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:45 pm

So I was planning to put an F1 style brake light below the rear number plate, like the Toyota 86 has.

But now I'm not sure on how legal it is?

The light has 2 brightnesses, so you can wire it up with tail and brakes.

This is what I have so far, still need to wire it up but its mounted to fill the hole for the tow bar tongue.
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How even I don't want to install it if I could be fined.
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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby aspir3 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:33 am

I'm not sure if it's legal. I know you can only have 1 third brake light.
I'd guess that it could be wired into your tail lights and fig lights but not brake lights.
Personally i hate the rear fog light that gets used in normal road conditions at night. It's very blinding. I sometimes sit behind them with my HID high beams on.
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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby Lancer1993 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:56 am

Well these wouldn't technically be 'fog' lights.

Each of the 2 light has 2 brightnesses and 3 wires, so you'd wire them up to the tail and brake lights. So they would only be one when the head lights are used or when you use the foot brake.

Now I've been reading up on the Subaru BRZ (better known as the Toyota 86) and they have a similar set up but its tail lights (2 of them) reversing lights and a proper fog light, which I guess is wired in to the switch so when you turn on the front fog lights it comes on also.

So my question now is how hard is it to wire up them to the fog lights on my VRX?

I read some place that the reflectors in the rear bumpers can be replaced with lights, are they wires into the tail lights or fog light?

Don't want to draw undue attention, just some added safety. I'm now thinking the 1/2 brightness for the tail light and full for the fog and only on if I use the front fog lights, which I hardly do. Maybe 2-3 times in 3 years.
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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby Mooman » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:58 am

https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#/view/regulation/2017/451/sch2/inDoc1/part7

Scroll to Division 10, you can have 1 or more extra brake lights and there are regulations for height etc.

See division 13 for fog light rules.

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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby aspir3 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:49 am

Hi Craig.
As I said it can't be wired up as a brake light as it's too low for a third brake light and you aren't allowed 4 brake lights.
It would be easy to wire in. You just need to tap into the fog lights wiring somewhere and then run the wire to the light. I would think the easiest place is by the fuses under the glove box. Then run the wiring along the passenger side of the car with the main wiring loom. I don't know if there is an active fog light wire at the rear of the car. You maybe able to trace the fog light wires and find one.

Yes there are reflector replacements that have led lighting in them. Personally i would avoid them. They look cheap IMHO and you risk insurance being avoided if rear ended as they aren't adr approved.
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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby Lancer1993 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:01 pm

Thanks for the rules info, might be something I can work with to have it as a fog light wired to come on with the front ones. But right now there are basically reflectors, I got them on but not wires up.

In my old Lancer I had a 3rd brake light in the back window, plus one on the spoiler. And it was that way from new, the dealer fitted the boot lid spoiler before I picked it up brand new. Its just in this case its mounted much lower down but still may be legal as a fog light, not brake. I'll see if I have the time to get the wiring figured before the road trip latter in the year.

A fog light like this would look much better with a diffuser but this will have to do for now.
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Re: Is this legal - 4th brake light?

Postby benyamin » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:33 pm

aspir3 wrote:Personally i hate the rear fog light that gets used in normal road conditions at night. It's very blinding. I sometimes sit behind them with my HID high beams on.
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